Author Topic: Sony's new "fixed mirror" camera (Read 4558 times)

travfar · « **Reply #50 on:** August 30, 2010, 11:22:40 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on August 30, 2010, 11:16:44 AM

Quote from: travfar on August 30, 2010, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: Centauri27 on August 30, 2010, 09:45:49 AM
Especially since video is touted at an Axx advantage--but is it significantly better than the competition?

A good indicator would be the NEX. The A33 uses the same sensor as the NEX, the A55 using a higher resolution version of it. By all reports. NEX video is outstanding.
the A55 has a brand new design sensor

It's a new sensor, but not a brand new sensor design from the ground up. It's a higher resolution version of the NEX sensor. Same technology.

"The A55 sensor is based on the one used in the NEX 5 and VG10, except with a slightly higher pixel count. The A33 uses the same NEX 5 sensor."

lisandra · « **Reply #51 on:** September 01, 2010, 10:56:32 AM »

this is 10fps with the HX1, this is frame #8, on the first try. I'm here to tell you, it's veeeery cool, fun and useful.

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adash · « **Reply #52 on:** September 01, 2010, 11:22:39 AM »

Would be even better if one was actually able to see what is on it....sorry, I couldn't help myself

lisandra · « **Reply #53 on:** September 01, 2010, 02:50:46 PM »

Quote from: adash on September 01, 2010, 11:22:39 AM

Would be even better if one was actually able to see what is on it....sorry, I couldn't help myself

you mean the photo? it's me and a friend getting soaked at a water park

adash · « **Reply #54 on:** September 01, 2010, 10:11:15 PM »

I thought so too...never mind, it was a joke.

lisandra · « **Reply #55 on:** September 01, 2010, 10:15:48 PM »

next I'm gonna post some hanheld twilight, it's efing awesome

cosinaphile · « **Reply #56 on:** September 02, 2010, 07:05:21 AM »

dont get the camera wet

travfar · « **Reply #57 on:** September 02, 2010, 07:31:13 AM »

Quote from: cosinaphile on September 02, 2010, 07:05:21 AM

dont get the camera wet

That's why I have a TX5. The 10fps, twilight and HDR modes are killer across the Sony line.

lisandra · « **Reply #58 on:** September 02, 2010, 09:57:22 AM »

Quote from: travfar on September 02, 2010, 07:31:13 AM

Quote from: cosinaphile on September 02, 2010, 07:05:21 AM
dont get the camera wet

That's why I have a TX5. The 10fps, twilight and HDR modes are killer across the Sony line.

and that handheld twilight is no gimmick neither, I'll prove it in a second...

lisandra · « **Reply #59 on:** September 02, 2010, 10:09:53 AM »

Quote from: lisandra on September 02, 2010, 09:57:22 AM

Quote from: travfar on September 02, 2010, 07:31:13 AM
Quote from: cosinaphile on September 02, 2010, 07:05:21 AM
dont get the camera wet

That's why I have a TX5. The 10fps, twilight and HDR modes are killer across the Sony line.
and that handheld twilight is no gimmick neither, I'll prove it in a second...

normal ISO 3200 vs handheld twilight ISO 3200

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100% crops unresized

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Look me in the eye and tell me you wouldn't want this on your PEN! remember this is from a tiny sensor not from an alpha.
Voyager, adash, I love u guys please don't kick me out the forum!

Centauri27 · « **Reply #60 on:** September 02, 2010, 01:45:48 PM »

No, we won't kick you out...just banish you to the "Other Cameras" board!

(P.S.: Is it just me--or my monitor? But I don't see that much difference between your two samples. The Twilight one looks a tiny bit better, but I'm sure there are other situations where the difference are more dramatic.)

Panther · « **Reply #61 on:** September 02, 2010, 05:09:15 PM »

Interesting shots Lisandra!

I haven't tried twilight mode on my NEX yet.....

lisandra · « **Reply #62 on:** September 02, 2010, 05:53:17 PM »

Quote from: Centauri27 on September 02, 2010, 01:45:48 PM

No, we won't kick you out...just banish you to the "Other Cameras" board!

(P.S.: Is it just me--or my monitor? But I don't see that much difference between your two samples. The Twilight one looks a tiny bit better, but I'm sure there are other situations where the difference are more dramatic.)

click on the image for the amplification and then on the corner for the full version, better yet download them both and compare them side by side. Even better on your tv, but unless you have a tiny monitor, the difference is quite dramatic. Look at the words ISO, and display, then look at the play icon, it's really noticeable there. Where it's really dramatic is in the LCD, I know your not here to see it but, in the handheld twilight what you see reflected in the LCD is my couch, and it looks just like that, whereas in the first one it just looks like a mess.

lisandra · « **Reply #63 on:** September 02, 2010, 05:58:21 PM »

Quote from: Panther on September 02, 2010, 05:09:15 PM

Interesting shots Lisandra!
I haven't tried twilight mode on my NEX yet.....

I guarantee you'll fall in love with it, it keeps detail sharp and even corrects for barrel distortion. Please do a side by side like I just did, I'm dying to see it on a large sensor. As I understand it you don't have control of ISO in twilight on the NEX (on the A55 u will

) so what you gotta do is find a dark place on your house to get the highest ISO like I did (I'm guessing is gonna be 12800) and then shoot the same thing in manual. PLEEEEASE do this for me, pleeeeeeeeease!

travfar · « **Reply #64 on:** September 02, 2010, 06:04:48 PM »

I can see the difference. Much lower noise and better detail.

Panther · « **Reply #65 on:** September 02, 2010, 07:32:49 PM »

Lisandra,
No guarantees in the near future but it's added to the "list" of shots to do...

adash · « **Reply #66 on:** September 02, 2010, 10:50:10 PM »

So, let me see If I got it correctly....these are shots from a55 at ISO3200, right?
So why two sets of shots then?

travfar · « **Reply #67 on:** September 02, 2010, 10:51:51 PM »

I think it's from an HX1. One is "native" and the other is twilight.

adash · « **Reply #68 on:** September 02, 2010, 11:07:38 PM »

AAAh, I get it. And the twilight is a special mode, which does.....what?

voyager · « **Reply #69 on:** September 03, 2010, 01:26:54 AM »

This is very interesting, but let's get back to the A55 and A33 discussion.

Panther · « **Reply #70 on:** September 03, 2010, 03:19:09 AM »

Quote from: adash on September 02, 2010, 11:07:38 PM

AAAh, I get it. And the twilight is a special mode, which does.....what?

A burst of shots are taken, and then the camera's firmware process the burst images to create a single image with reduced noise and blur and shake.....(designed for shooting low light scenes without a tripod)

adash · « **Reply #71 on:** September 03, 2010, 03:48:35 AM »

Well, that's not a normal photograph then....

Panther · « **Reply #72 on:** September 03, 2010, 03:53:14 AM »

Quote from: adash on September 03, 2010, 03:48:35 AM

Well, that's not a normal photograph then....

Hmmmm....
Going with that line of thought (and not arguing against you) I'd debate that any shot produced with any type of in camera editing is not a normal photograph ....(to include things like in camera sharpening settings)

adash · « **Reply #73 on:** September 03, 2010, 04:07:22 AM »

In-camera sharpening is still a photograph in my point of view, as is in-camera NR, in-camera brightness/contrast, in-camera gamma. In-camera HDR, in-camera "twilight" are not, as they are produced from more than one exposure and can not be compared to pictures, taken with a single exposure on another camera. If I take four ISO3200 photos in a burst on my e-p1 and unite them later in software, should I call that "ISO 12800"?

Panther · « **Reply #74 on:** September 03, 2010, 04:56:46 AM »

Adash
From what I understand, the ISO is the same but the variable is in white balance and exposure compensation

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