Author Topic: Is Sony NEX sensor really better than E-Px sensors? (Read 4748 times)

Panther · « **on:** July 24, 2010, 10:58:51 PM »

Quote from: voyager on July 24, 2010, 10:00:33 PM

In some places, the E-PL1 is around $425, but I do get your point, especially after trying to convince someone why they should buy an $800 E-P2.

Or when a Sony NEX with the better sensor is the essentially the same price as PEN....

adash · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2010, 11:06:20 PM »

Quote from: Panther on July 24, 2010, 10:58:51 PM

Quote from: voyager on July 24, 2010, 10:00:33 PM
In some places, the E-PL1 is around $425, but I do get your point, especially after trying to convince someone why they should buy an $800 E-P2.

Or when a Sony NEX with the better sensor is the essentially the same price as PEN....

I am still not convinced that NEX has a better sensor. Larger - yes, slightly more dynamic range....hm, I would investigate that, better high-ISO....not sure yet.
And yes, you will be stuck with E-Mount lenses for AF, and no IS for legacy glass, even own Sony lenses will be as useful as an old soviet lens when used with NEX. Well, that's what I call Investment Protection

Panther · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2010, 01:18:27 PM »

Quote from: adash on July 24, 2010, 11:06:20 PM

I am still not convinced that NEX has a better sensor. Larger - yes, slightly more dynamic range....hm, I would investigate that, better high-ISO....not sure yet.

The NEX sensor is the same that is in the Nikon D90/300/5000 but if you don't believe me, then have a lookee below at where the NEX ranks by its sensor....

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Camera-Sensor/Sensor-rankings/Sheet-view

travfar · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2010, 02:22:04 PM »

Quote from: Panther on July 24, 2010, 10:58:51 PM

Or when a Sony NEX with the better sensor is the essentially the same price as PEN....

Dude, I totally understand your argument. I used to argue the same. The NEX does have certain advantages. In low light, the Pens can't compete with the exmor. The twilight and HDR functions are things Olympus should seriously consider implementing in the next firmware update. But saying the NEX has better IQ just because of the big sensor..... Like I said, I used to argue the same but the Image Comparator changed my mind. On that at least, the PENs have the advantage. The IC is not fool proof. It's just some dude taking shots afterall. Their TX5 shots are definitely bogus. The TX5 is not much more than a waterproof TX1 yet the TX1 shots are far better than the TX5 shots. Regardless, I would say the NEX and PEN IQ overall is equivalent. The PENs low price gives it the advantage. That price advantage disappears if you want both lenses though. The NEX 2 lens kit for $699 matches an E-PL1 even at $425 with the little lens bought separately.

Panther · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2010, 03:06:15 PM »

Quote from: travfar on July 25, 2010, 02:22:04 PM

That price advantage disappears if you want both lenses though. The NEX 2 lens kit for $699 matches an E-PL1 even at $425 with the little lens bought separately.

If I were a new buyer without anything looking at an E-P2 with kit lens, I most likely would opt for a NEX-5 with their 18-55 kit lens rather than an E-P2 with a 14-42 and I will have saved $100 USD

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/692507-REG/Sony_NEX5K_B_Alpha_NEX_5_Interchangeable_Lens.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/680586-REG/Olympus_262829_E_P2_Pen_Digital_Camera.html

Panther · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2010, 03:11:19 PM »

Here's an interesting test....

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5RAW.HTM

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors/(appareil1)/652%7C0/(appareil2)/631%7C0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Sony/(brand2)/Olympus

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/page6.asp (Check out the ISO 3200 results)

voyager · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2010, 07:54:55 PM »

If you guys would like, you can carry on your sensor differences conversation in a new thread, but let's get this one back to Pentax making those 3 new lenses.

I've been told by a few people that we'll see these around Photokina. I sure hope that they're right, this would be a huge step in Micro Four Thirds.

adash · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2010, 10:03:51 PM »

I've split this topic from the old one "Pentax entering m4/3"

travfar · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2010, 11:04:45 PM »

Quote from: Panther on July 25, 2010, 03:06:15 PM

If I were a new buyer without anything looking at an E-P2 with kit lens, I most likely would opt for a NEX-5 with their 18-55 kit lens rather than an E-P2 with a 14-42 and I will have saved $100 USD

Or you could get a E-P1 from Costco for $500 and save $200 over the NEX-5.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11525799

voyager · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2010, 01:56:03 AM »

Costco still has that deal? I'm amazed.

Panther · « **Reply #10 on:** July 26, 2010, 03:13:15 AM »

Quote from: travfar on July 25, 2010, 11:04:45 PM

Or you could get a E-P1 from Costco for $500 and save $200 over the NEX-5.

This made me smile.....It resonates of NASCAR brand loyalty.....(since every comparison out thus far illustrates the NEX to perform somewhat better than PEN digitals)
However, I'm not deeply entrenched in just one brand.....That's the beauty of having an open mind

travfar · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2010, 08:42:36 AM »

Quote from: Panther on July 26, 2010, 03:13:15 AM

This made me smile.....It resonates of NASCAR brand loyalty.....(since every comparison out thus far illustrates the NEX to perform somewhat better than PEN digitals)
However, I'm not deeply entrenched in just one brand.....That's the beauty of having an open mind

Ah. The sure sign that someone has lost the debate. When they switch over from talking about the facts to talking about the debater. I'll join you for a rebuttal before switching back to the facts.

You have an open mind? $:-\$ I see no evidence of that from your posts.

You know the really funny thing. On the other forums everyone considers me a hardline Sony fanboy. You think I'm an Olympus fanboy. I guess that makes me the one with the open mind.

Where are these comparators you speak of when you say "since every comparison out thus far illustrates the NEX to perform somewhat better than PEN digitals"?

DPReview: E-P1 66%, NEX-5 65%
PhotogrphyBlog: E-P2 5 stars, NEX-5 4 stars
ImagingResource: As I said earlier, just check the picts in the IC. Edge E-P1.

At least those 3 don't. Which invalidates your "every comparison" statement? At best it should be "some comparisons".

I'll restate my earlier statement. The PENs and the NEXs are equivalent overall. The lower price gives the PENs the advantage.

adash · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2010, 08:57:27 AM »

I've been trying to locate the hot shoe on the NEX, but I could not....

Panther · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2010, 10:01:19 AM »

Travfar,
Apologies to you....Your last post definitely shows data supporting Olympus being the better overall performer & thanks for pointing it out.....

As far as your statement about "losing" is concerned, you mistake me for someone who has an ego to bruise.....I'm not that guy....My only concern is about accurate information

(which also contributes to having an open mind.....I'm a Nikon DSLR owner but I also recommend Sony , Canon, & Pentax all in the same breath)

Panther · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2010, 10:07:37 AM »

One last question Trav,
Are your sources rating based purely on the sensor (topic of this thread) or are the ratings based on other factors beside the sensor?

travfar · « **Reply #15 on:** July 26, 2010, 10:14:23 AM »

Quote from: Panther on July 26, 2010, 10:01:19 AM

Travfar,
Apologies to you....Your last post definitely shows data supporting Olympus being the better overall performer & thanks for pointing it out.....

As far as your statement about "losing" is concerned, you mistake me for someone who has an ego to bruise.....I'm not that guy....My only concern is about accurate information (which also contributes to having an open mind.....I'm a Nikon DSLR owner but I also recommend Sony , Canon, & Pentax all in the same breath)

Ah... a Nikon shooter. That explains a lot.

Dude, for someone who's concern is about accurate information, your posts are definitely one sided without the facts to back it up.

travfar · « **Reply #16 on:** July 26, 2010, 10:18:12 AM »

Quote from: Panther on July 26, 2010, 10:07:37 AM

One last question Trav,
Are your sources rating based purely on the sensor (topic of this thread) or are the ratings based on other factors beside the sensor?

Both. The results, other than the IC, are for the camera overall. But if you read how they compose those, they discuss IQ which is about the sensor. If you look at the IC, the E-P1 is clearly sharper than the NEX-5. I even brought that up in the Sony forums. My fellow Sony fanboys couldn't disagree. The E-P1 has the edge in sharpness and detail, the NEX has the edge in controlling high ISO noise. So in the end, they pretty much cancel each other out and are equivalent.

adash · « **Reply #17 on:** July 26, 2010, 10:19:02 AM »

Try to stay focused on the topic, not on the personality on the other participant, or I will lock the thread. Both of you.

Centauri27 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2010, 01:18:27 PM »

Maybe this thread should be retitled, "Let's start a flame war (redux)!"

voyager · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2010, 02:37:20 PM »

Quote from: adash on July 26, 2010, 10:19:02 AM

Try to stay focused on the topic, not on the personality on the other participant, or I will lock the thread. Both of you.

And he will! I'll just use emoticons to diffuse the situation.

Centauri27 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2010, 03:18:08 PM »

No doubt who's the Good Cop/Bad Cop in this forum!

Panther · « **Reply #21 on:** July 26, 2010, 04:26:23 PM »

So here's the deal......
I can whole heartedly accept that the PEN series is a better overall camera due in part to the inferior menu system of the NEX....

What I can't ignore is the factual sensor data obtained through DXO Mark that indicates that the NEX sensor performs better than the PEN sensor....So Trav, are you stating that the DXO mark sensor data is incorrect?

Panther · « **Reply #22 on:** July 26, 2010, 04:34:12 PM »

One last thing....
Again, I've got nothing to prove here - I only want information.....I presently want to get a NEX to see what all the "hoopla" is about......However, if you can talk me out of getting a NEX, then I'd be quite happy to get an Olympus M 4/3'ds 14-150 lens instead.....

voyager · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2010, 04:38:46 PM »

Panther, could you accept, even just for a minute, that DXOMark might not be the most accurate way in deciding which sensor is better? Think of it as how DPreview reviews some cameras.

Panther · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2010, 04:45:32 PM »

Quote from: voyager on July 26, 2010, 04:38:46 PM

Panther, could you accept, even just for a minute, that DXOMark might not be the most accurate way in deciding which sensor is better? Think of it as how DPreview reviews some cameras.

Absolutely if you too can put all the other sources mentioned in this thread as also as not being the most accurate!

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